Laura Ingraham hosted Thin Thread creator Kirk Wiebe.
Wiebe said there were four or five people involved in Thin Thread. He said the NSA found itself behind the curve in the NSA in the 1990s. Michael Hayden ignored "Thin Thread" which was ahead of the curve and instead adopted a program called "Trailblazer". He said intelligence and cyber security are different things. He said it's all about how one uses the data and that what's on the Internet is huge and not of interest. The key point is winnowing the data to what is significant. He said they had developed an approach called big data, but he and his colleagues walked away from the NSA due to corruption and the fact the information would be used against innocent private citizens.
Wiebe said there is a huge database in Utah that has gigabytes of information on US citizens. He said "Thin Thread" citizens' protection was disabled. He said there is language in the Patriot Act that has been kept secret and that Senator Ron Wyden has asked for it to be made public. Wyden is also working on FISA guidelines being fixed to prevent innocent citizens from being wiretapped.