York said people have been on an anti-Rand Paul campaign and he blinked. He said people are thrown off by the crazy quilt of Obama's foreign policy in the Middle East. Ingraham said it is predictable that the establishment would go for ground troops in the Middle East. York quoted large figures of the number of troops that would be needed to pacify ISIS. Ingraham said we should look at the world as it is, not as we think it should be, given our precarious economy and national security. They both noted that we are putting troops everywhere except on our borders.
Ingraham said with the new primary schedule that the 2016 nominee will emerge earlier. York said the race is incredibly open and Ingraham said this opens the door for the establishment to win. Ingraham suggested that the conservatives have their own convention in early January so there is one alternative to the estalbishment. York said it's an ideal world situation where big political egos prevail. He suggested a Grover Norquist type pledge and Ingraham said if her idea isn't taken up, the conservatives will be out.
Limbaugh said he's not a Catholic, but has great respect for so many aspects of the faith and quoted Bishop Fulton Sheen's defense of Christ's divinity and pointed to the cross as the ultimate answer. He said God created us, even as he is concerned about our sins to redeem us. Ingraham spoke about China's suppression of the cross. Limbaugh spoke of C.S. Lewis defense of the faith versus such atheists as Bill Maher and Richard Dawkings. Ingraham commended Limbaugh's personal narrative which Ingraham compared to her own in which she didn't have direction.
Krauthammer said Obama has a coalition of the unwilling because the allies are unsure of his leadership. He sees Obama playing out the clock on his ISIS strategy, leaving it to his successor. He said it has been the behadings that evoked Americans emotions, but feels two years later this may not be a predictable issue to run on - especially if it turns out that Rand Paul runs against Hillary Clinton. Ingraham we need to see the world as it is and that the nation has to carefully consider the costs economically and national security. Krauthammer said the Iraq War was mismanaged for a high price, even as it eventually calmed down with the surge. He said now Iraq is getting to be a client state of Iran.
Krauthammer said his personal views on immigration haven't changed and that America is a generous country and would consider amnesty if the borders are truly closed.
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Ingraham commented on the incongruity of the US muddled message on the pro-Iranian rebels who are allegedly our allies and Assad's statements on air strikes in Syria. She said if this tips the wrong way it could strengthen Iran. She feels the American people have to realize the pitfalls of engaging in a non-war war on our national security and economy. She personally wouldn't like to spend money of the Free Syrian Army.
Ingraham spoke about Sharyl Attkisson's report of the sanitizing Benghazi documents for the Accountability Review Board to protect then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She said this could be a case of obstruction of justice.
Bremer said the Obama administration is bending over backwards to avoid speaking of war in Iraq due to their criticism of the Bush administration and this muddies their message. He said most leaders would like to fight with allies and that Bush had 37 nations with boots on the ground and 25 nations with other assistance. He is heartened to hear of Arab nations offering air support, but that no one is offering ground troops. Ingraham commented on the public support for air strikes, but that people don't have confidence in this strategy which Bremer attributes to Obama's lack of credibility in foreign policy due to his history in this area of tentativeness.
Hira said that the Silicon Valley push for immigration is to get cheap labor. He said these firms talk about the "best and hte brightest" but really want low wages. He said there are lots of engineers are working outside the STEM field. Ingraham said the hunger fore foreign students is for cash and prestige. Hira and Ingraham feel that investing in Americans who are talented would be far preferable. Hira said there would be different behavior from companies if there were real shortages and that working class kids are cut off from chances in STEM.
D'Souza spoke of the schizo reactions to how to handle the ISIS crisis. Ingraham said this is a war based on false suppositions and iffy alliances. D'Souza pointed out that the first Gulf War under President George HW Bush was paid for by the Muslims while we will be stuck with the bill for this invasion.
DiGenova and Ingraham discussed the process of declaring war and that a case can be made both ways for the president to go it alone or to include Congress. With the current conflict against ISIS the upcoming midterm elections make it difficult for Democrats in tight races to vote yes for supporting the conflict.
Ingraham said we have to learn lessons from the post September 11th response and that we have to be extremely careful about how we get involved again due to our declining economic strength, China's rise and our wavering resolve. O'Reilly felt the Afghan government was corrupt and that we would have done Iraq differently. Ingraham said one needs to have the people on the homefront on board and O'Reilly said we have to fight smarter and that we are still in Korea. Ingraham said we have to understand the world we are in today and that ironically the big war hawks are pushing amnesty even as we have very porous borders in which ISIS and other enemies could wreak havoc in the US. She spoke about how people are overstaying their visas and O'Reilly replied that this should be a felony.
Laura Ingraham hosted John Lehman, former member of the 9/11 Commission.
Lehman detailed all the work that went into the 9/11 Commission and that there is a surprising amount of bipartisan agreement. Ingraham pointed to the recommendation that the entrance and exit of visitors to the US with real ID for drivers licenses. He agreed that the tourist and student visas are a huge security loopholes. He said there are too many politicians in urban areas pandering to illegals by not demanding IDs.
Lehman said the US has done terribly with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE who give lots of money to jihadists to keep them at bay on one hand and making empty promises to the US on the other hand.
Lehman said President Obama has no experience or interest in foreign policy and is surrounded by neophytes who punch below their weight. Ingraham said Obama is more interested in domestic social justice and identity poiltics.
Mueller said there hasn't been a careful evaluation of what programs should be used or dropped in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Ingraham pointed to the porous border as a big risk. Lehman said there's a finihite amount of money. He said the cost/benefit analysis with terrorism hasn't been done.
Steele would advise less bravado from the GOP and more advising. He said Obama is now a wartime President and that the GOP can help him frame it. He said the US needs to eliminate now ISIS. He agreed with Ingraham that the platform needs to include more than war drums and that the consequences need to be thought through.
Steele said that the GOP has fumbled a number of opportunities on domestic issues. He said the GOP can't just against Obaa, but for something besides hot rhetoric. He said after a decade taking care of everyone else and having our economy weaken, it is time to build from within, starting with Main Street.
Steele isn't for amnesty but wants a conservation on the issues. Ingraham pointed to minorities not having jobs, and with the expense of the undocumented minors, there needs to be enforcement of the laws we have now.